Have believers approved the law obliging the church to pay the cost of bankruptcy procedure for the parishioner?

Nowadays, a lot of people fall into such trouble when they are forced to apply for bankruptcy, but even this amount is not easy to pay them a lawyer, especially if, for example, this is a large family. Imagine: the government looked at all this, and invented such a law that the religious organization, to which the collecting procedure is transferred to pass the bankruptcy proceedings, is obliged to pay the necessary amount to the lawyer for this, especially if the bankruptcy procedure is going to go through just many children Father or disabled person

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  1. A rather strange law. First – in most cases, attributing oneself to a religious organization is quite conditional. So, I have Catholics Friends by conviction, but there is no Catholic Church in their city) there is a familiar Satanist – she will wait from the Laveev Church?) And I, although the Orthodox, did not officially record the churches of such reports, there are no such reports “Lists of parishioners”) The second is discriminatory law. Because no one will pay for atheists. And they will whine for a long time about the fact that “religious all captured and offend us.” Threation – the law allows you to frail. Because no one forbids me to declare that I am about the Baptists, go once to their meeting in order to fix interest and merge my debt to any church of our country. On the other hand, any church will easily say “this guy is not from ours.” So the law will not work.

  2. As a believer – no, I would not approve. The community themselves contain members of the community, this means that parishioners give money, not take. Also, this money can be spent (and often spent) to help a member of the community in a difficult situation. The principle of the community itself begins with relations, if there is a relationship, legal methods of influence are not needed. You do not sue with your mother, brother, wife. There are many problems, but you somehow solve them without legal levers, you are a family. A community is also a family, and the situation itself in which a community member is trying to force a community to something, suggests that this is not a member of the community. Well, why should such a person give any powers in advance, isn’t it strange? It’s like a mother would say to her son: “Son, let’s give you the opportunity to sue me. Well, you never know, suddenly you will be in a critical situation, and I will refuse to help you.” Feel how it covers? From a practical point of view, if such a law is introduced, any community on the initiative of its members themselves will primarily take measures from abuse of law. And to do this, by the way, is very simple. One legal entity (religious organization) with a minimum possible number of participants (10 people, for example). All the others create religious groups and receive the right to engage in missionary activities without formal relations with a religious organization. The religious group itself is not a legal entity. Everything, the problem is solved. Such a scheme is already used to protect the RO from the consequences of the bad behavior of its members, in fact, it is not accountable, it will also work with your law.

  3. As a believer – no, I would not approve. The community themselves contain members of the community, this means that parishioners give money, not take. Also, this money can be spent (and often spent) to help a member of the community in a difficult situation. The principle of the community itself begins with relations, if there is a relationship, legal methods of influence are not needed. You do not sue with your mother, brother, wife. There are many problems, but you somehow solve them without legal levers, you are a family. A community is also a family, and the situation itself in which a community member is trying to force a community to something, suggests that this is not a member of the community. Well, why should such a person give any powers in advance, isn’t it strange? It’s like a mother would say to her son: “Son, let’s give you the opportunity to sue me. Well, you never know, suddenly you will be in a critical situation, and I will refuse to help you.” Feel how it covers? From a practical point of view, if such a law is introduced, any community on the initiative of its members themselves will primarily take measures from abuse of law. And to do this, by the way, is very simple. One legal entity (religious organization) with a minimum possible number of participants (10 people, for example). All the others create religious groups and receive the right to engage in missionary activities without formal relations with a religious organization. The religious group itself is not a legal entity. Everything, the problem is solved. Such a scheme is already used to protect the RO from the consequences of the bad behavior of its members, in fact, it is not accountable, it will also work with your law.

  4. Bu-ha-ha! Well, you, my friend, were enough: to oblige the church to pay something! Church, I apologize, cannot oblige taxes to pay taxes, and you are a obliging law! As far as I imagine, you can organize targeted assistance to a particular person within the framework of the church community. But it is one thing to collect clothes from second hands for a large family, and a completely different thing is to “throw yourself on a lawyer” to the bankruptcy loans.

  5. In a secular state where the church is separated from the state, such a law is technically impossible. Why take the law if the church community can independently and voluntarily raise money to help a community member. We take a loan, buy an iPhone, a car, a ticket to Bali, and when the time comes to pay, then grandmas-girls from the church community should quit and pay. Normal scheme … Bankers will be satisfied.

  6. The idea looks excessive and three reasons: from a formally legal point of view, a good/useful law either specifies the private aspect of state policy, or regulates the newly emerging social relations. The described item does not really meet the criteria. Legally, religious organizations are specific territorially defined autonomous legal entities, a special form of non -profit organizations acting on the principle of self -financing. The goals and forms of their activities are regulated in detail. RO cannot conduct activities not reflected in the charter. That is, the implementation of such an initiative would create the need not only to mass legal fuss, but would also create a dangerous incident. Self -financing. This would mean that RO could not evade the performance of this new function in each case, and failure to fulfill the law assigned the obligation to eliminate the organization as a legal entity. Faces. The possibilities for abuse are obvious, incommensurable with potential benefits. In local administrations, there are social security departments, and in some cases even at the level of municipalities – there are specially appointed lawyers providing free legal (primary) assistance. If the potential recipient of such a ‘service does not know how to use the Internet, then even within the framework of such a consultation, he would learn about the presence of a simplified bankruptcy procedure since 2020, which is significantly cheaper than in court. That is, the mechanism that should solve the raised question as a whole exists. The main thing. It is not even that religious organizations are not for this. The question can be understood as one of the forms of charity. But small and autonomous ROs are created for the legal execution of their rituals, sermons and property management. And in the limit case we gravitate to form communities. That is, close horizontal ties between people not only about prayers, but also other forms of joint activity, labor, earnings, etc. How it works in the mass, especially the city version in the event of a dominant denomination – I do not know the Russian Orthodox Church. Looking at the scale of the construction of the churches, it is clear that there are finances. But I’m not sure that parishioners are closely familiar with each other and what is the formal connection between the parishioner and the parish. In the part in which about the ‘communities’ – so the community participants are in full knowing each other and, for need and conscience, usually support each other. If this is a formal parish, there is already a number of not only legal, how moral problems. Based on this, he would not support the initiative.

  7. Complete absurdity. Starting with the wording of the law: what is the “church” and who is the “parishioner”? And from what fright the minister of the church should deal with legal issues. It can be theoretically assumed that the State Duma in the “manual control” mode will accept such a law (for the first time, or something). But who will perform it and how? Is it really necessary for the Church? A huge number of rushing to the “parishioners” will appear immediately, and the removal of churches from recognizing someone “parishioner”. And a person will have to pay lawyers the procedure for “recognition of a parishioner”. 🙂

  8. No. Church and the state are not ideologically and financially interconnected. One side, in state conditions, the church has no other way to maintain and build real estate, and maintain staff, except for financial ones. On the other hand, the financial issue is dangerous, as people can cause greed in people. Like those who are inside the church and those who are outside. If we are talking about the content of parishioners, then it is unambiguous – this is impossible to fulfill, since religion is a conscious choice of a parishioner, his will, and the church is a kind of church The field of services, which he can use for free: that is, use knowledge, use cult items, use consultations of specialists. In the worldly understanding, all these services cost money, and not small money. How much you need to pay to study at the university; how much to pay to use for example cellular communications, the Internet, etc.; How many worldly people. Pays for consultations of lawyers, doctors, etc. This money cannot be counted. At the same time, the church provides all this for free. Since everything rests on the enthusiasm of this voluntary organization. Once the parishioner has the opportunity to finance the church. And this can be used. For this, there is the possibility of both voluntary donations and the acquisition of objects of the cult into property, or payment of some services: due to which the church exists. The money will not take from nowhere. To take something, you have to give something.

  9. In the secular state, the church is separated from the state, this means that it exists in itself. The state cannot adopt and apply laws regarding the fact that it does not apply to it. But there is one moment that connects the church with the state. For example, there is a working factory receiving a salary from the state budget. State cash signs, rubles. When he pays for the goods in the store, this money, through the collector and the bank, return to the state budget. From which, he will receive them in the next salary. Let us let him, as a parishioner, donates a certain amount of this money to the church and in the way the church is separated from the state, this money falls out of the turnover. There will no longer be enough to pay the salary of their number. To prevent this from happening, there is a “Peresvet” bank, through which these rubles are returned to the state budget and the plant’s worker will receive a completely. Data communication is necessary for the state, while parishioners carry state banknotes to the church. There are no other relations of the secular state and the church. They can be, but only on a contractual basis.

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